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Bryan Cook's avatar

While it doesn't negate the overall point of your post, the situation here in Portugal is a bit more complicated. The Socialist party in the government, currently in the minority, exercised their right to request that the new law be reviewed by the Supreme Court for constitutionality. The court found that 4 provisions violated the constitution. Accordingly, the President vetoed the entire law. Now it is back in parliament, where the the ruling parties will attempt to rework it to address these issues and try to pass it again.

At this point no one knows for certain what the final provisions will be, if it will be challenged again, etc. If I had to bet I would say it is almost certain there will be a longer wait time than the current 5 years, somewhere between 7 and 10. As to the issue of when the clock starts ticking, that seems less certain to me . And white unlikely, I don't think it's completely impossible that their coukd be some sort of transitional regime for those who have residency. There have been so many twists and turns already!

Overall, things have changed so much and so quickly in Portugal, some due to immigration, vastly increased second homers and tourism, etc., and some just broader macroeconomic factors. The government has not been effective at addressing the very real needs of the people for affordable housing and higher wages, and as you point out, immigration is a quick and convenient place to put the blame. Sounds very familiar to us Americans these days!

Okay, sorry for the very long comment. I hope it is helpful in some way!

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Have visited several of the mentioned countries, lived in Asia, have visited all 50 states, and have been interested in the prospect of a “better place”, but wonder what is one actually getting? Is there a real tangible value (e.g. cheaper prices/better health care/safety) or is it just an escape from the frustration and dissatisfaction with one’s current country?

Either one is wealthy enough for a second house to own/maintain and traveling back and forth or the move is permanent and funds are limited. In the later case, one spends the rest of their life living in a different country with its own frustrations and disappointments. The “exit plan” is limited due to costs. Being the mark in some country’s bailout due to financial mis-management, and then resented, doesn’t sound fun.

As a US Citizen and Veteran I’d move for two reasons that I can think of now: healthcare; and guns. Notice I didn’t say politics. As much as I despise the current situation I like to believe that the social pendulum is at an extreme and will swing back. Or not. However, the genie is out of the bottle on health care and the system is rigged to extract as much as possible before you die. People vote against their own interests when offered reform. Even more serious is that there is no walking back the situation on guns in the US - it’s part of this country’s DNA and people are willing to die and kill for them. Other than to make money, there was no logical reason to proliferate the country with military grade weapons to the general population that is mentally unstable, financially desperate, and increasingly dependent on drugs and alcohol. I’ve known people that have taken their life and those that have murdered and I never saw it coming. Another tragic shooting will occur soon. The cost of this cycle is a huge drag on our society.

So, a country that offers stability, safety, and decent healthcare and a low cost of living would be attractive. Not having to shovel snow would also be nice. Frankly, I’m not sure that this place exists. So, I think I’d opt for one of the Scandinavian countries and pay for the shoveling. Until then my not so cheap Blue State and ability to travel is not bad.

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